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Lee Valley Low Angle Review

by Lyn J. Mangiameli 

 April 10 2002

The New LVLA with reference to the L-N LA


 

  • Overview:

Well, my first impression was one of disappointment, not for what it is (a cheaper and generally equivalent alternative to the Lie Nielsen Low Angle Plane), but for what it failed to be (a more innovative and distinguishable LA plane). Taking it for what it is (as opposed to what I hoped it might be), and seeing the final production model, I now view the Lee Valley Low Angle smoothing plane (LVLA) quite favorably. For one thing, most people will be considering this plane as an alternative to the much more expensive L-N version, rather than an addition to it; and in this role, it is a very good plane indeed.

 Still, I’m going to take a paragraph to give an idea of what my hopes were -- perhaps someone may consider applying them to a future plane.  Early rumors had suggested the LVLA would be on a chassis roughly comparable to a #4.5. I thought that was a great idea. That would have offered something new and distinguishable from the existing L-N and Stanley versions. The associated greater mass would have enhanced its function when used for shooting. Who knows the other added function that might have been found by having that greater width and mass? I thought maybe there would be screw feed of the front sole plate to allow fine adjustment of the mouth, and reduce the chance of accidentally banging the plate against the blade during adjustment. Maybe we would finally see some consideration of a grip arrangement that would break out of the good, but hardly optimal Bailey round knob/vertically angled tote pattern. Given the track record of the LV #4.5, and their earlier block plane, I expected at least one new advancement. I wanted to see reasons why one would want this plane over its competitors, for any reason other than price (not that that isn’t a prime feature for a manufacturer and most buyers). Certainly if one already has a L-N LA or the rare Stanley #164, there is not a lot of reason to want to add this plane.

 Well, I realize I was likely hoping for too much, and it is the bane of the innovator that their advancements are soon seen as commonplace and expected. Here in this new Lee Valley Low Angle smoother one has a LA plane with lateral adjustment/restraint screws, an excellent Norris style adjuster, a thick A2 steel blade, a precisely machined body and a rigid single attachment point tote (that even is mildly original), and I’m complaining. I suspect that few will have sympathy for my complaints, and quite rightly see the LVLA as the excellent and affordable plane that is truly is.

 Here’s my specific observations on the LVLA.

  •  External Appearance: 

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The LVLA, to my eyes, provides a nice initial appearance, except for what I find to be discordant machined circles on the sides. I've never liked those drilled out circles on the sides of their block plane, and I still don't. IMO it is out of keeping with the rest of the lines and for me they offer no functional advantage. But overall, the plane looks good in a low slung sort of way. I actually think the asymmetrical lines on this plane are more appealing than the L-N LA. One’s eye is drawn to the center mechanism and there one finds a nice balance of brass: tote screws, level cap screw and adjuster, adjustment knob and an attractive and well designed brass trim washer under the front knob. The front knob has a pleasing shape, as does the tote. The front knob has no visible attachment bolt, thus leading to a cleaner and more comfortable front grip. The finish on the wood continues to improve, and the color is a pleasing compliment to the rest of the plane. I know this is a lot of comment on the appearance, buy hey, why can’t we have aesthetically pleasing as well as functional tools, and this plane manages both.

The plane is well machined. The production model came with a sole that is quite flat and most would not find it to require lapping. There is a very slight discrepancy between the surface of the mouth plate and the sole of the plane, but nothing that wasn’t able to be matched up with just a few minutes of time and some 280 grit sandpaper. Otherwise, the fit of the mouth plate is very precise and almost the equal of that found on my L-N LA, which I consider to be absolute perfection. The sides on both the preproduction and final production planes have been perfectly square to the sole (which is nice since many will use this as a shooting plane). They are slightly taller on the LVLA, which should allow for more stable registration to the orthogonal surface when shooting.

 The sole of the LVLA is slightly longer than the L-N, and has a greater proportion of it’s sole forward of the mouth. This has worked really well for their LV 5.25W, allowing better registration of the sole of the plane to the surface of the wood prior to first contact with the blade. The preproduction model, like the L-N LA, had openings in the casting over the top of the movable front sole plate. I assume it is easier to machine the front plate this way, but these forward notches break up the lines of a plane, and most of all provide a space to capture miscellaneous chips, dust, allow hidden rust to develop and gunk to build up to interfere with smooth adjustment. LV has changed this in the final production model and now we have a lip across the front to keep things out. A small, but real improvement over the L-N.

  • “Under the Hood”:

The plane is nicely machined on the inside as well. Bedding for the blade is not as great as that available on the L-N LA (which is excellent), but still seems quite acceptable for coupling the blade to the sole (at least for a LA metal body plane). The LV A2 blade is 1/8 inch thick, with the L-N being 3/16 (in my earlier model it is of traditional steel, supposedly future L-N planes will all have A2 blades, cryo’d as well). The differences in bedding surface and blade thickness are clearly in L-N’s favor, but I’m not sure most would find them worth the extra cost of the L-N, particularly given the comparable performance of the two planes (discussed below and elsewhere).

 The lateral adjustment/limiting screws remain a nice feature, but don’t offer the advantage over the competition on this plane as it did on the bench planes, since the L-N LA has such a close fit between its blade and the body. The LV Norris style adjuster remains very precise, with lateral adjustment capability and almost non existent backlash. In contrast, the upright adjuster of the L-N model has a lot of backlash (at least relatively speaking), and has no provisions for lateral adjustment. I think it is somewhat of a matter of personal preference whether you desire the ability for lateral adjustment at the same time as making vertical/extension adjustments. Both blades remove easily, but many will find the Lee Valley blade easier to sharpen as there is no adjuster adapter plate as there is on the L-N (this is a small plate that attaches like a chip breaker, but is located only on the upper end of the blade where it creates a slot for the vertical adjuster leg to fit within). Cosmetically, I find the Lee Valley blade to integrate more cleanly with the overall lines of the plane.

 The blade clamping mechanism is solid and secure on both planes, but I have a preference for the Lee Valley version, as it can be adjusted more smoothly and tightly by hand. The LV version also clamps the blade down both near the edge and again over the adjuster, while the L-N only clamps near the edge. Both adjusters are aesthetically pleasing and sturdy, the L-N being of solid brass and LV version a mix of black aluminum and brass. The bottom of both caps are well machined and fitted.

  •  Ergonomics:

Lee Valley makes the point their plane has been designed to be comfortable for use on its side as a shooting plane. I found their suggested grip for shooting board use works quite well, indeed very well. But, and it's a fairly big "but," the L-N Low Angle Smoother feels just as good with that grip and it neither has an "uniquely shaped lever cap" nor the "thumb recess." If it were me, I'd keep the lever cap and give up the ugly  circular "recess" on the sides. 

I find the more rounded lines of the L-N tote to be visually pleasing, but the shape of the LV tote fits my hands marginally better. Both are good, but the LV is slightly better for my hands, and because it offers greater height, I suspect it will be better for most hands. There are two bolts running the length of the tote, and while initially surprising, I find them to be a great idea as they make the handle noticeably more rigid than the L-N. My experience has been that such rigidity allows for better translation of body forces into the plane, and better feedback from the wood. The mounting stud for the front knob is hidden on the LV, but seems well seated. This allows for a smooth perfectly rounded top, and, at least potentially offers greater extended use comfort that the exposed bolt on the L-N.

The L-N LA adjuster is fully accessible,  easy to use and, once the backlash is taken out, precise in adjustment. I really like that I can keep the plane on the wood with a functional grip while reaching forward with one finger to make minor adjustments of blade extension.  The LV adjuster is more precise than the L-N, having essentially no backlash, but is hard to adjust while maintaining a functional grip (granted I have somewhat shorter fingers). Held upside down to sight along the sole to establish blade extension, I still find the L-N to be easier to use, though both are adequate.

In contrast to blade adjustment, I much prefer the Lee Valley method of adjusting the mouth, compared to the L-N LA. With the Lee Valley I just loosen the front knob and move the toe piece directly where and how much I want it. With the L-N I have to loosen the knob, then used a cam lever to move the toe piece. I am always getting this wrong, particularly when the plane is upside down. For me, there is no intuitive direction to move the L-N lever, so I'm always running the mouth into the blade. (My ideal would be a precise screw driven adjustment of the mouth—we do this with better frogs).

  •  Performance:

Let me start by saying that I’ve never been one who has had great success using a LA plane for general smoothing. There are a few woods, usually those that have incipient random endgrain, like knots and “eyes,” or burls that have mixed side and end grain where the LA has worked well for me. But in general, I haven’t found LA planes desirable as face grain smoothers, perhaps because most of my planing is of rather dense, unusual and/or “exotic” woods such as blackwood acacia, padauk and cocobolo. I, like the Stanley originators, see the primary function of a LA “smoother”as smoothing large expanses of endgrain such as cutting boards (not that this isn’t a lot of work), and as the ideal tool for cleaning up dovetails. For those that don’t have a #9, it can also be a fairly good shooting board plane for trimming miters and squaring ends.

Now using a low angle smoother for its original intended purpose is a lot of work, ask anyone who actually has used a plane to flatten a large end grain cutting board. I’ve done so more than once, and know I would be a much stronger person if I did so regularly.  Not wishing to risk my wife’s ire by planing her cutting board, I found a neighbor who had a big endgrain maple cutting board (roughly 19 x 14 inches) and offered to rejuvenate it. I flattened and polished both backs (both my LV blades came slightly warped) and sharpened the blades to .5 micron with the same angles. The completeness and accuracy of the sharpening was confirmed with a 5X lens. An hour after sharpening, I had completed the cutting board and had a renewed familiarity with both planes (in this case I’m referring to my L-N and the new production version of the LVLA I just received). Both planes were comfortable to use and both planes made comparable cuts, cutting the maple endgrain fibers cleanly, though not without resistance (it is at moments like this that I wonder why I would have ever wanted a wider version of these planes). Frankly, I could tell no difference what so ever between the cuts made by them.

I have also tested the planes on face and side smoothing of oak and cocobolo, making up some through dovetails in oak and trimming them, and squaring the ends of oak, maple and pine on a shooting board. Both planes (LV LA and L-N LA)  did an adequate but not outstanding job smoothing face and side grain oak, but both left considerable and unacceptable tearout on the cocobolo (easily cleaned up later with a York pitch plane). Though comparable, the L-N LA blade left an arguably better surface on all these woods when viewed under a 3X lens, but I’m not sure one would have detected any difference by unassisted visual examination of the wood.

When trimming the ends of oak dovetails, both planes performed comparably with respect to surface left  to the unaided eye, but the L-N LA showed a better surface under 3X and 5X magnification. However, I found I mildly preferred using the LV LA. Coming onto the surface with the LV was aided by the longer front sole/set back mouth. This seems to be an emerging characteristic of the LV planes and is one that I like. The mass of both of these planes just makes trimming dovetails so much easier than when done with a block plane.

Shooting with both planes was comparable. The LV has slightly greater registration surface, but this doesn’t really show in use. Squaring pine was a breeze with both planes and they left essentially identical surfaces, even when viewed under magnification. With the Oak and Maple, it was not comfortable or easy to take but the barest of shavings with either plane. They seemed to leave a visually similar surface on most boards, though the earlier preproduction version LV did not achieve a consistent surface across the end of 3 inch maple boards. Under magnification it appeared that some chatter was present in the last 1 inch of the maple ends. With the new production version there was no evidence of that chatter. Whether this was due to increased bedding surface, a slightly different blade extension setting or something else, I really can’t say, but the current production version of the LV plane does seem to perform very slightly, but perceptibly better on these types of cuts. Earlier, I dug out my LN#9 and compared it to the preproduction Lee Valley and the L-N LA. The #9 was easier to use, and made better cuts than either of the above. I’m sure any of the LA “Smoothers” would be adequate for trimming on a shooting board, but there’s no doubt from my experience that if one is serious about it, the #9 is the tool to use.

The balance of the two LA smoothers is different, with the LV being more forward weighted, though I don’t notice much difference when they are in use. The totes clearly feel different when planing, but I can’t come to any clear preference with respect to comfort over extended use. What I do notice is a feeling of greater coupling to the wood with the LV plane, maybe this is due to the more rigid tote of the LV or perhaps something else. I have noted this before with the LV #4.5. 

I don’t want to say too much more about performance for several reasons. One, as I said above, I don’t have an affinity for a LA plane as a smoother. Second, even though I have had a preproduction model for several months, I have only had the improved final production model for a few days. This obviously has limited my ability to use the new plane with a variety of woods or compare it to a full range of planes. Third, I really am closing in on completing my high angle plane comparative review (yah, the one I’ve been promising for a year) and will make some more comments about the LVLA then.

  •  The Bottom Line

The Lee Valley LA is a worthy alternative to the Lie-Nielsen regardless of cost. It exceeds the LN in a few areas (overall appearance to my eyes, the long sole with set back mouth, rigidity of the tote, lack of backlash, and the front sole plate adjustment), is comparable in a couple (general ergonomics in use both upright and on its side for shooting), but also trails the LN in several (blade thickness, ease of blade adjustment, general elegance and refinement of appearance). In the most important areas of quality of cut and ease of adjustment, they appear to tie on the first and it is a split decision on the second (backlash vs. ease of adjustment). However, keep in mind that perhaps a person with greater affinity for LA smoothers may be able to coax better performance from one of these planes, and matters of adjustment often reflect body characteristics and simple preference. So that leaves us with price. The LV comes in at approximately 100 US dollars less than the comparable L-N. For 139 US dollars, it’s hard not to find the Lee Valley the better value for the typical user. It certainly means that a lot more people will be able to justify owning a LA smoother. However, I do not feel that price puts the L-N out of the running. Even at its higher price, it is not so expensive that it is out of the reach of plane connoisseurs and serious hand tool craftsmen, and there are many characteristics of personal preference which might cause one to willingly choose to spend the extra money. I’m not being wishy washy about this (I’ve minced no words in the particulars above). Rather, what we have are two very good planes, that are credible alternatives to each other. And when that happens, I think we all win.

Now about those changes I’d like to see in grip styles…………

Lyn

 

Last Modified:  07/06/2004